Episode 61 Transcript

Welcome to the Genealogy News from Geneatopia

I’m Patty Roy, also known as Dinah Larkham in Second Life.

Today is Friday March 20, 2015 and this is Episode 61.

The Global Family Reunion will be held on June 6th in New York. Everyone is invited and it should be the largest family reunion ever held. There will be food and entertainment. All proceeds from the day’s events will go to The Alzheimer’s Association New York City and the Cure Alzheimer’s Fund.

The organizer of the reunion, A.J. Jacobs, is writing a book called “It’s all Relative.” It will be a funny look at the Human Family with interviews from cousins around the world. The last chapter in the book will be about the Global Family Reunion.

There is now IndieGoGo campaign where you can buy tickets to the reunion or make a donation. Since the campaign is set up to raise money for Alzheimer’s, the Global Family Reunion has been verified by IndieGoGo as a nonprofit organization and there is a “Verified Nonprofit” badge on the web page to signify that.

They are using flexible funding for the campaign. This means if they don’t reach their goal, they can still keep the money that has been raised but they will be charged a fee of 9% on the funds instead of 3%. If they reach the goal that has been set they will only be charged 3% of the raised funds. Plus they will be paying some additional payment processing fees.

Here are the amounts you can donate and the perks you get for your donation:

$3 – gets you digital access to behind-the-scenes during the reunion
$10 – volunteers will determine how you are related to some famous people. You will need to provide the names and birthdates for you grandparents.

$25 – gets you a ticket to the reunion and the same as the $10 donation where volunteers will see if you are related to someone famous

$30 – you will receive a hardcover copy of A.J.’s book

$50 – you will receive a signed hardcover copy of A.J.’s book

$60 – a ticket to the event and an autographed copy of A.J.’s book

$100 – A.J. will mention you in his book as a very important cousin and you also get a ticket to the event and an autographed copy of A.J.’s book

$200 – a ticket to the event, an autographed copy of A.J.’s book, and an image showing how you are connected to the most influential people in history. You will need to join Geni.com or WikiTree and provide data for the tree.

$1,000 – will get you a ticket to the event, an autographed copy of A.J.’s book, and a personal video call with A.J.

Only one $10,000 donation is available. If you select this A.J. will dedicate his new book to you.

So far they have risen a little over half the amount they hope to raise. They are hoping to raise $30,000. The campaign will close on April 5th 11:59pm Pacific Time.

If you can’t make it to the reunion in New York, it will be live streamed from the Global Family Reunion website. There will be some branch parties open to the public in some states. Also, there will be a branch party in Second Life in the Just Genealogy area.


23andMe has DNA information for 850,000 customers. It plans to mine that data for finding new drug targets to treat disease.

23andMe already has partnerships with Pfizer and Genentech for finding drug targets for specific diseases. These companies use the database at 23andMe for research.

23andMe has hired Richard Scheller to lead a new therapeutics group that will work on discovering new drugs. Mr. Shceller previously was the former head of research and early development at Genentech which is owned by Hoffmann-La Roche.

The new therapeutics group will look broadly through the database. Pfizer and Genentech do not have access to all the data in the database and they are restricted to only researching certain diseases.

23andMe hopes to use all the genetic information along with health information customers have provided about themselves to develop drug targets for diseases. About 80% of 23andMe’s customers agree to let 23andMe use their data for research.

23andMe receives funding from Google and New Enterprise Associates. In the spring they plan to raise more money to fund drug development projects.


Blaine Bettinger writes the blog The Genetic Genealogist. He is also a well-known speaker and he is a lawyer in his day job. He is conducting study to fine-tune the statistics that are used to determine how much DNA is shared among relatives. To participate you enter the known relationship such as sister or second cousin, the total amount of DNA shared in cMs, and the largest block shared in cMs. These numbers are readily available from Family Tree DNA.

Kitty Cooper, another well known genetic genealogist, has explained on her blog how to get those numbers from 23andMe.

As an incentive Blaine is offering a free Family Finder kit from Family Tree DNA to one winner who submits their data by April 1st.


FamilySearch has added more than 2.2 million indexed records and images to Australia, Philippines, Slovakia, Ukraine, the United States, and Zimbabwe.

More new records at FamilySearch

New browsable image collections added include
Ukraine, Zaporizhia Poll Tax Census (Revision Lists), 1811–1858
US, Georgia, Brunswick Passenger Lists, 1904–1939
US, Indiana, Gary and East Chicago Crew Lists, 1945–1956
US, Mississippi, Freedmen’s Department (Pre-Bureau Records), 1863–1866

The following have new indexed records and images
Canada, New Brunswick Provincial Marriages 1789–1950
France, Haute-Garonne, Toulouse, Censuses, 1872 and 1886
US, United States, Burial Registers for Military Posts, Camps, and Stations, 1768–1921
US, Utah, Grand Army of the Republic Membership Records, 1879–1934

Next these collections have indexed records added to an existing collection
Argentina, Mendoza, Catholic Church Records, 1665–1975
Australia, New South Wales, Cemetery, Military, and Church Record Transcripts, 1816–1982
Australia, Tasmania, Miscellaneous Records, 1829–1961
Italy, Napoli, Barano d’Ischia, Civil Registration (Comune), 1809–1929
Italy, Napoli, Serrara Fontana, Civil Registration (Comune), 1809-1929
Slovakia, Church and Synagogue Books, 1592–1910
US, Montana, Big Horn County Records, 1884–2011
US, Montana, Judith Basin County Records, 1887–2012
US, Montana, Pondera County Records, 1910–2012
US, Montana, Sweet Grass County Records, 1887–2011
US, United States, Panama Canal Zone, Employment Records and Sailing lists, 1905–1937
Zimbabwe, Death notices, 1904–1976

The next collection has had indexed records and images added to an existing collection
US, BillionGraves Index

These collections have added images to an existing collection
Philippines, Civil Registration (Local), 1888–1983
US, Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013
US, Tennessee, Freedmen’s Bureau Field Office Records, 1865–1872


Last year FamilySearch had a Worldwide Indexing Event where everyone was encouraged to participate in indexing during a certain period of time. This year they are doing something similar to help with the backlog of more than six million images awaiting arbitration.

The WorldWide Arbitration Event will be held in May, from May 1st to May 8th. During this time arbitrators will be encouraged to view the images awaiting arbitration to reduce this huge backlog.

If you would like to participate and you are not an arbitrator, you can apply to become a qualified arbitrator and take part in the event.


A few more products have been Read certified by FamilySearch. They are AncestorCloud, Eternal Reminder, Family.me, Life’s Journey Game, and Scrambled Tree Game.

AncestorCloud is a place where you can post a request for things like a record lookup, a photograph, translation, or research help. Then some else will take your request and fulfill it.

All the experts fulfilling requests are verified researchers.

It’s free to join. When you submit your request you will be required to enter your credit card. You set the price for how much you are willing to pay for someone to fulfill your request.

AncestorCloud was originally a site where you could store documents and images to share with other family members.

Eternal Reminder is a service for those of the LDS church that will let you know when it’s time to take the name of an ancestor to the temple when they turn 110 years old. You sign in with your FamilySearch account and enter the ID of your ancestor. Once your ancestor turns 110 years old, you will be sent an email to remind you to reserve the temple work.

Family.me is a website catered to younger people for placing a family tree online and having other family members participate in building the tree.

Life’s Journey Game is an AncestorGuru.com game that helps you become more familiar with important events in you ancestor’s lives. It uses your family tree at FamilySearch.org to generate the questions.

Scrambled Tree Game is another game from AncestorGuru. Playing the game helps you become more familiar with your ancestors’ names and faces, and how you are related to them.


HeritageQuest Online is available from your local library and from your home by going to your library’s website, clicking the link for it, and entering your library card information. Once you do that you may have noticed some changes recently.

It still has all the same information as before with some new things added. You will notice that searching is similar to searching on Ancestry and you will see the Ancestry logo. That’s because HeritageQuest is now powered by Ancestry. That doesn’t mean HeritageQuest is owned by Ancestry.

The new enhancements are the result of an expanded partnership and distribution agreement between ProQuest, who owns HeritageQuest Online, and Ancestry. ProQuest sells Ancestry Library Edition to public libraries, academic, corporate and non-profits.

As part of the new agreement ProQuest will also be offering Fold3 starting in May 2015 and Newspapers.com sometime in 2015 to libraries, academic, corporate and non-profits.

Also part of the agreement was for Ancestry to expand and update HeritageQuest Online.

Now HeritageQuest has all the U.S. Census records from 1790 – 1940. And they are all searchable. Plus the have added the 1860 Slave Schedules, 1890 Census Fragment, 1890 veteran’s schedule, selected non-population schedules from 1850 – 1880, enumeration district maps and descriptions for 1940, Defective, Dependent and Delinquent Classes for 1880, mortality schedules for 1850 – 1885, Census on Deaf Marriages and Hearing Relatives 1888-1895, and the Indian Census Rolls 1885 – 1940.

The Freedman Bank Records and the American Revolutionary Collections are now the full set, not a sub-set.

The Family and Local Histories books collection now contains the US City Directories 1821-1989 collection from Ancestry.

PERSI and the U.S Serial Set remain the same as before. That means you can search PERSI for articles for the years 1800 – 2009. Findmypast has all articles for PERSI at their subscription website and that includes those after 2009.

There is one more thing new at HeritageQuest Online and that is the new finding aids. There you will find how to get started in family history, how to use the census and some more guides on how to research beyond the basics.


If you have an AARP membership you can get a 30% discount when you sign up for Ancestry World Explorer subscription. You can only use this discount once.

If you already have a World Explorer subscription, you get the next year at the 30% discount if you are an AARP member. You need to do this just before your subscription expires so you don’t lose any days of your subscription.

After receiving a year of the discount you will be billed at the normal rate.

The contract with AARP ends on March 31st. Ancestry is negotiating with AARP to renew the contract.


Ancestry.com has partnered with Dublin-based IrishNewsArchives to create a new subscription site called IrishNewspapers.com. As you can tell by the name the site contains newspaper articles from Irish newspapers. Currently there are over 2 million pages at the site. Plans are to add more titles.

It is available only in the U.S. It costs $99.99 per year or $19.99 per month.

The newspapers come from the Irish Newspapers Archives website. The interface to access these newspapers is different from each other and each site has their own subscription plans.

Ancestry also owns Newspapers.com. This is a separate subscription site from the new IrishNewspapers.com


Lots of new records have been added at Findmypast. March is Women’s History Month and to celebrate they’ve added the Women’s Army Auxiliary Corps Service Records 1917-1920, the British Women’s Royal Naval Service officer files 1917-1919, the British Women’s Royal Naval Service Ratings’ Service Registers 1918-1919, and the British Women’s Royal Air Force Service Records 1918-1920.

They’ve added nearly 65,000 records from the British Civil Service Evidence of Age records that were collected by the Civil Service Commission to establish accurate birth records for their staff, to ensure they were of minimum age or eligible for a pension. These records were indexed and transcribed by the Society of Genealogists. Findmypast has added color images to a majority of the indexed records.

Some records from Australia have been added. The Queensland Assisted Immigration 1848-1912 is an index compiled from Registers of Immigrants’ Ships Arrivals between 1848 and 1912. They contain passenger lists of immigrant ships that arrived in Queensland.

The Queensland Immigration registers 1922-1940 contain passenger lists from that time. These records were created and used by the immigration department of the Australian state of Queensland. Every passenger list contained the ship’s name and number, as well as its date of departure and arrival.

The Queensland Passport registers 1926-1939 are indexes compiled from records created and used by the immigration department of Queensland relating to passport clearance registers and passport receipts. These indexes record the names of immigrants arriving in Queensland as well as their later disembarkation from the state. Each record includes a transcript.

Some other Australian collections added include the Queensland, Brisbane Register of Immigrants 1885-1917, the Queensland Naturalisations 1851-1904, the Queensland, Maryborough Registers of Rations Issued to Immigrants 1875-1884, and the Queensland Nominated Immigrants 1908-1922 index that contains information on individuals who were nominated or sponsored to migrate to Queensland.

The Victoria Prison Registers 1871-1960 and the Victoria, Moondarra & Aberfeldy Cemeteries collection have been added.

For the UK, Findmypast has added over 90,000 records for the Wiltshire, Salisbury Wills Index, 1464-1858. These records cover 29 different jurisdictions covering the whole of Wiltshire, parts of Dorset, Hampshire and Berkshire and the Devon parish of Uffculme.

You now search by surname in the collection of Lincolnshire Parish registers. And of course, you can still browse the collection.

Records from the Bethlem Royal Hospital have been added. This hospital treated people with mental illness.

Over 4.4 million new articles have been added to the collection of historic British newspapers. There are 16 new titles from Cambridge, Doncaster, Suffolk, Hertfordshire, Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire, Jersey, Devon, Lanarkshire and London. Plus there has been substantial updates to existing titles.

Now on Findmypast you will find the Ireland 1901 census. This is only one of two surviving censuses that are held by the National Archives of Ireland.

More articles have been added to the Irish Newspaper collection and over half a million new birth, marriage, and death records have been added to the Irish collection. The new collections are
Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bonds Indexes 1623-1866 and Diocesan and Prerogative Wills & Administration Indexes 1595–1858.


At the site Geni.com, people are collaborating to build one world family tree. Geni.com has announced that you can now show adoptions on the family tree. You will be able to show adoptive, foster and biological relationships on the family tree at Geni.

You will be able to add additional parents to someone who already has parents. By editing the profile you specify if the parents are adoptive, foster, or biological parents. You will then be able to choose which set of parents you wish to view.


PlaceMyPast.com has closed. It was a website where you could upload maps and pictures to view places and events where you ancestors were. Using maps you could plot an ancestors journey to explore their movements over time.

The site used a program called Freebase – a community-curated database of well-known people, places, and things. Google acquired Freebase in 2010 and has decided to make it read-only.

Since PlaceMyPast allowed users to add content and Freebase no longer accepts content, the site closed.

Progeny Genealogy is the maker of Charting Companion. This program allows you to create charts from your genealogy data. These charts are better than what a typical genealogy database programs produce.

It can read genealogy data from a GEDCOM file or directly from Ancestral Quest, Family Historian, Family Tree Maker, Legacy Family Tree, Personal Ancestral File (PAF), or RootsMagic.

The program is only available for Windows and it costs $34.95 for the download version or $39.95 plus shipping for a CD version.

They have improved this program so it supports SVG graphics. SVG stands for Scalable Vector Graphics and the graphics are scalable. That means you don’t lose any quality if they are zoomed or resized.

Now using Charting Companion you can make charts that will scale to any device. You can also include links.

These charts can then be edited with any vector graphics editor. There are some free editors out there to do this such as Inkscape and DrawPlus Starter Edition. I’ll have links in the show notes in case you’re interested in trying these editors.


Lynn Palermo is known for her blog “The Armchair Genealogist.” She is also known for putting together the yearly Family History Writing Challenge during the month of February.

Now she has a new website called The Family History Writing Studio. The site contains tools and resources to help genealogists write compelling stories about their families.

There are many products available at various prices. You can purchase workbooks, personal coaching, courses, and webinars. There is a group rate available if you have a writing group.

There are lots of articles you can read for free at the site and a monthly newsletter.

Missouri has death certificates online for the years 1910 – 1963. Soon the year 1964 will be added. These are searchable. Some people are now upset because the death certificates may contain the social security number of the deceased. So the Missouri Secretary of State’s Office has already begun the process of redacting social security numbers from death certificates that have been transferred to the State Archives as historic documents and placed online.

In order to be placed online the death certificates must be at least 50 years old.


The Pikes Peak Genealogical Society has indexed the Colorado Springs, Colorado, Death Registers, 1872-1920. You can search for these records using the society’s Pikes Peak Newsfinder search. The results will be among records for newspaper articles and obituaries.

The information from the death registers contain information on people who died in Colorado Springs and were buried there or shipped elsewhere, as well as people who died elsewhere and were shipped in for burial in city-owned Evergreen Cemetery.

The search results will contain a link to the digital image of the original record.


The website Seeking Michigan has added more images of death certificates for the years 1921 – 1939. The indexes for the years 1940 – 1952 will be made available in the next few weeks. Then the images will be released each year as privacy restrictions are lifted. So the images for 1940 will be released in January 2016.

The site also includes the years from 1897 to 1920. Michigan death records from 1897 to 1952 can be found at one place, the website Seeking Michigan.

Also new at the website are indexed cards from The Detroit News. These cards only contain subjects that were covered in the newspaper, not the actual articles.


The Louisiana Digital Media Archive has launched with 1,600 digitized video clips from the Louisiana Public Broadcasting’s and the State Archive’s collections. The number of clips on the website will continue to grow.

The digital archive was made possible with grants from the Library of Congress and the Institute of Museum and Library Services.

It is hoped that other television stations in the state will join the project.

Genealogists may be interested in interviews done by family members who may have since passed on.


Newspapers in Iowa have not been preserved in more permanent format since 2009. This is when a budget cut was put into place that ended the 50-year practice.

Not all newspapers in Iowa are created in a digital format or e-edition. Those that are not in that newer format have been microfilmed.

There was a bill proposed last year to provide funds to microfilm the backlog but it was rejected. They want to look at how to preserve materials in the future and maybe not use microfilm.

The backlog includes 1,600 to 1,700 bundles of newspapers. It is estimated that the cost to preserve these papers on microfilm would be $255,000.


The Library and Archives Canada has placed many images of early Canadian travel on its Flickr site. These are photographs taken by professional photographers during the nineteenth century. The photographs were used to promote tourism. Later amateur photographers began to take scenic pictures.

It’s a small collection with only 20 photographs.


The British Newspaper Archive continues to add material to its site. In February they added 400,000 newspaper pages. This includes 11 new titles. Some new titles include Hawick News and Border Chronicle, Holborn Journal and Wellington Journal.

New articles were added to 88 existing titles, including the Cambridgeshire Chronicle and Journaland the Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald.

At the blog post announcing this you will find the full list of titles that can be found at the site. And of course I’ll have a link in the show notes to it.

The British NewsPaper Archives is a subscription site. It costs about $15 US a month or $120 US for the year.


At the ScotlandsPeople website, they have added the Scottish 1865 Valuation Rolls. The rolls contain every owner, tenant, and occupier of property in 1865.

The records are searchable by name and address.

The index to these rolls will be free to search until April 19th. To view the images you will need to pay 2 credits for each image.

ScotlandsPeople now has valuation rolls from 1865 to 1925.


Timeline Research Ireland is a professional genealogical and historical research service. It’s run by Dr. Robert Somerville Woodward and Nicola Morris. Nicola has recently started a podcast about Irish genealogy.

They have created a new website called the Irish Genealogy Clerk Service. At this site you can request digital copies of records that are not online for a fee. The fees range from approximately $20 US to $43 US.

Many genealogical records are online but some still can only be found at the repositories in Dublin. There are forms for the most common records requested. Those are Civil Birth, Marriage and Death Registrations, the Valuation Office Revision Books or Cancelled Books and Roman Catholic Parish Registers.

And there is an additional form to order other records.


The Irish Genealogist is the journal from the Irish Genealogical Research Society. They have been publishing this since 1937. It contains information submitted by members about their Irish ancestors.

There is a searchable name index that is freely available at the Society’s website, IrishAncestors.ie. By searching you can find out if you ancestor was mentioned in the journal. From there you could find out what library has the journal or order it on a CD.

Now when you search for a name you will be able to download the article, for free. You don’t need to be a member to view the articles. Currently only the years 1998 – 2001 are available to download.

All the journals from the years 2002 to 2014 will only be available to members for download.

Plans are to index the names found in the journal from the years 2002 to 2014.


The Ulster Historical Foundation has a journal called Familia Ulster Genealogical Review. They are now making past articles available for $1.50 US. Articles from 1987 – 2013 are available. Back copies of the journals can be had for $3 US.


If you have Irish ancestors you should be reading Claire Santry’s blog Irish Genealogy News. She keeps up-to-date with everything that’s happening in the world of Irish family history and she shares it on her blog.

She is giving away for free a 20 page e-booklet in pdf format that contains brief details on all the new and updated Irish genealogy resources that were released in 2014. The table of contents lists the types of resources such as census, church records, wills, and so on for a total of 13 sections.

If you need some help with Irish genealogy or just want to make sure you know what are the best sites for Irish research, Crestleaf recently posted on their blog 70 top sites for finding your Irish Ancestors.

Crestleaf offers free and paid accounts to share your family memories and photos.


The recent RootsTech conference broke records for attendance. There were almost 24,000 registered attendees over the three-day conference. That’s an 83% increase from 2014.

The day before the RootsTech conference was the Innovator Summit. Registration for this day was up 43%.

Family Discovery Day was held the Saturday during the conference for families and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Attendance for this was up 125%. Some who attended Family Discovery Day also attended the RootsTech conference.

Registration for both these events closed early because they were so popular and filled up quickly.

20 sessions were broadcast live to 128,000 viewers.

Even more will be watching the sessions that were recorded at over 1,000 local family discovery day events that will be held throughout the remainder of 2015. 65 of these events have already been held.

Next year should have more live broadcasting and recording of content for online viewing. Local family discovery day events will be held worldwide to continue expanding the conference’s reach.


The 2015 Southern California Genealogy Jamboree will be held in June. Each year a young genealogist between the ages of 18 and 23 wins the Student Genealogy award from the Suzanne Winsor Freeman Memorial Student Genealogy Grant Committee. The grant recipient receives a three-day conference registration and a $500 cash award.

Applications to apply for this grant are due by April 10th. You must be between the ages of 18 and 23, be enrolled at a college, submit letters of recommendations, and attend the 2015 Southern California Genealogical Society Jamboree in Burbank, California. No funds for travel or hotel will be provided.


The next Federation of Genealogical Societies conference will be in 2016 and held in Springfield, Illinois. The title of the conference is “Time Travel: Centuries of Memories.” FGS has announced that presentation proposals are now being received for this conference. You have until Friday, April 10th, to submit a proposal.

Those whose proposal is selected will receive an honorarium, conference registration, travel compensation, and a per diem for hotel nights based on the number of presentations given.


Coming up

Tuesday, March 24, 1pm Eastern
Ancestry Live Event
Basics of Genealogy Source Citation
presented by Crista Cowen

Tuesday, March 24, 9pm Eastern
FamilySearch Webinar
Beginning Swiss Research

Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 2pm eastern
Legacy Webinar
Where Does It Say That? Learning to Love Direct Evidence
presented by Chris Staats

Thursday, March 26, 3pm Eastern
New England Historic Genealogical Society Webinar
African American Resources at NEHGS
presented by Meaghan E. H. Siekman

Thursday, March 26, 8pm Eastern
FamilySearch Webinar
U.S. Newspaper Research
presented by Jason Harrison

Thursday, March 26, 9pm eastern
Second Life National Genealogical Society Quarterly (NGSQ) Study Group
Harold Henderson, “Testing Family Lore to Determine the Parentage of Samuel W. Boren of Pittsburgh,” National Genealogical Society Quarterly 102 (June 2014): 97-101.

#genchat – My DNA Results Mean What?
Friday, March 27, 10pm eastern

Saturday, March 28, 11:15am Eastern
FamilySearch Webinar
Finding and Using German Address books on Genealogy.net

Saturday, March 28, 12:15pm Eastern
FamilySearch Webinar
Finding and Using German Lineage books on Genealogy.net

Saturday, March 28, 1:15pm Eastern
FamilySearch Webinar
German research: Using Metasearch on Genealogy.net

Sunday, March 29, 2 – 4pm eastern

Tuesday, March 31, 1pm Eastern
Ancestry Live Event
AncestryDNA FAQ: Revisited
presented by Crista Cowen

Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 2pm eastern
Legacy Webinar
Genealogy 101, Part 1 of 3
presented by Peggy Clemens Lauritzen

Wednesday, April 1, 3pm Eastern
#AncestryChat – Debunking Family Folklore & Genealogy Myths in Your Tree

Wednesday, April 1, 8pm eastern
Minnesota Genealogical Society
Find Your American Ancestor Using Canadian Records
presented by Kathryn Lake Hogan

Thursday, April 2, 9pm Eastern
FamilySearch Webinar
Danish Church Records: Extracting Genealogical Information

North Carolina Genealogical Society
How Old Was He?
presented by Judy Russell
Webinar free viewing April 3 – 5

Saturday, April 4, 1pm eastern
Southern California Genealogical Society
She has the Same Name. Is She Her Sister?
presented by Nancy Waters Lauer

You can find all the webinars mentioned and more at the calendar at Geneatopia.com.

And that’s it for this episode.

You can send email to geneatopia@gmail.com

You can find links to things mentioned in this show in the show notes at Geneatopia.com as well as a transcript. The transcript can also be found in the Geneatopia Flipboard magazine.

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